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Are you planning on handing over your money to an algo trading platform?

Maybe you want to subscribe to a strategy or two and make insane returns.

Here's why you shouldn't do it, and save your money instead.

 1/ Maybe you want to have a strategy development company deploy such algorithms on your account with respective brokers.

Or the service itself has strategies that you just subscribe to and authorize your trading account with, and it will automatically trade your money.
2/ When it comes to @Tradetron1 there are a slew of issues.

Let's keep aside the lack of transparency and the total regulatory non-compliance for a moment.

First off, with most of the strategies, the backtests are BOGUS.
3/ Any systematic trader with even a little bit of experience will look at the strategies and tell you which ones are baloney.

Most of them are.

Don't take my word for it. Do your own due diligence.

And, those backtests aren't even for 10+ yrs. Some were done only for months.
4/ Secondly, SEBI has put rules in place on parameters like

- minimum net worth of the company
- qualifications of the fund manager
- minimum number of clients
- minimum amount to start with

and so on, for qualifying people who want to manage other people's money.
5/ There are only 3 structures offered by SEBI where people can manage other people's money.

- Mutual Funds
- Portfolio Management Service (PMS)
- Alternative Investment Funds (AIF)
6/ If the company/person you hand over money to don't have one of these licenses, you're essentially stepping into the grey area.

There's no LEGAL way to manage other people's money outside of these three structures offered by SEBI.
7/ There are few other ways in which you can manage other people's money.

Most popular one:

- Become a sub broker to a large broker
- Get terminal access
- Add clients
- Place trades for all your clients together
8/ In this method, you can open/close/modify orders in clients' accounts. You can't touch their funds.

To do this, you should

- Enter into an agreement with the client that you will be investing/trading their account
- Have an Associated Persons SEBI license
9/ You should also take client's approval for EVERY SINGLE TRADE YOU PUT ON and for EVERY SINGLE TRADE YOU CLOSE.

Even if you don't take permission for one trade also, that's considered fraud.

But that's how most people operate.
10/ Some get clients to automate email approval for each trade.

This is not entirely legal and won't be valid if push comes to stove.

Phone call recording + non-automated emails should be legal.

But nobody does that.
11/ Essentially, since nobody follows the letter of the law/SEBI, they are all taking unauthorized trades as every trade requires authorization.

This again, is the most popular way with which people who have capital of < 25c operate.
12/ Also, when you're a MF, PMS, AIF, there are so many things you CAN and CAN'T do.

There are things you should do regularly in terms of reporting.

You will definitely need a well-qualified compliance officer also.

Small guys aren't ready to invest in all this overhead.
13/ What can small guys do LEGALLY then?

RIA - Registered Investment Advisor.

It's usually a fixed fee format (although there are some who get a % profit based on agreement).

You take the trades on your own.

Usually does well for long term investing & positional trading.
14/ But, even RIA has a lot of regulations, you need to get the certification and proper licensing done.

There are certain limitations as to what an RIA can and can not do.

So many RIAs breach those rules too and act in a grey area.
15/ Now, coming to Tradetron and similar services, ask these questions:

i) Are their strategy creators SEBI registered?
ii) Is the company's entire modus operandi legal?
iii) How are their backtests vetted?
iv) Are the backtests vetted and verified or anyone can post anything?
16/ Ask these additional questions too.

i) What are the underlying technical issues people face? (Lots of people have faced execution issues, slippages, etc.)

ii) How are the backtests conducted? (full test, out of sample, walk forward, and then monte-carlo, etc., is required)
17/ You'll most likely draw a blank from all of them.

For some reason (valid one) I can't see a SEBI registration number on the websites of TradeTron or similar services.

One step further, Tradetron buries this information in their "terms of use" page.
18/ The screenshot above says you have to do your own due diligence on whether the person creating the strategy is SEBI registered or not.

For ex: Is @__paperstreet__ SEBI registered? Nobody knows. Nobody even knows who he is. But so many people are subscribed to his strategy.
19/ Also, if you don't do your due diligence and your money is blown up by someone who isn't SEBI registered, you can't seek any relief from TradeTron.

Refer to the screenshot below.
20/ They wash their hands of any and all responsibility to

i) Screening strategy creators
ii) Screening backtest legitimacy
iii) Screening strategy legitimacy
iv) Making sure creators are SEBI registered and licensed, and that their license/regn hasn't expired.
21/ Now, let's come to the problems with many of those strategies.

Most of the strategies are half baked. Looks like people testing something on stockmock for a year or two and creating that as strategy on tradetron to make money.
22/ Check this thread for a discussion on the most basic thing.

https://t.co/Z7XJDKF0ep

100% ROI in a year with 10-20% drawdown is possible. But not over a period of 10 years.

Cherry picking a good year and posting that as entire backtest result is dangerous.
23/ Tradetron does indulge in favoritism towards few creators, some shady practices, which if you talk to all the strategy subscribers, you'd begin to understand.

https://t.co/nzxW0buQB8

You can see that they have deleted the -ve comments in some strategies.
24/ But, they withhold the right to do that. This again, is buried in "terms of use".

Also, if you face huge slippages and execution issues at their end, they can always wash their hands off any responsibility by saying it's an internet/server issue, and show you these terms.
25/ Now, several users have quoted the following in their reviews/comments.

- Grossly misleading backtests
- Backtest / live trades huge discrepancies
- Some accounts blown out
- Backtests done only for few months
- Huge slippage and execution delays
- Loss due to outages
26/ This is not just particular to tradetron.

You pick any similar service. You check for the following things.

- SEBI/legal registration/compliance of the company
- SEBI registration of strategy creators
- Backtest methodology
- No of years tested for
27/ Also check for the following:

- Backtest / Actual live trades differentiation
- How many years backtest was conducted for
- How long the strategy has been active, and what its actual live returns are (after costs)
- Whether backtests are pre/post comms/spread/slippages
28/ This applies to any and all companies offering to manage your money in some way without your intervention or active effort.

Use this as a checklist and protect your downside first by doing your due diligence.
29/ Secondly, don't be naive enough to believe that you can double your money in a year or two, or that these strategy creators with backtests showing CAGR of 40-50% will get you such returns.

More often these claims are only a bag of farts. You'll be left holding just those.
30/ Third, most often, you'll put money in the hands of such people whose greed knows no bounds, blow up your capital, and realize you'd have done way better had you invested in a regular conservative mutual fund also.

So, save yourself all the trouble and go SIP in MFs.
31/ Two or maximum three mutual fund schemes, with an index fund, invested regularly with discipline using SIP, will create more wealth than any of these fake strategy creators can, for you.
32/ If you must definitely go for such high returns, it's not impossible.

Spend a year or two, learn python, backtest different ideas/systems yourself, and automate them.

Amazon EC2 or Azure + Broker's API, code in python and automate your strategies.
33/ Books, Links, Courses, Data - recommended for doing exactly the above is all in this link -

https://t.co/OoHznZbfTI
34/ I have summarized whatever I know about systematic trading in the following webinar.

Ignore the first and last 20-25 mins (about me in the intro, and about my course and the QNA in the outro) and watch the remaining 3 hours, for a head start.

https://t.co/NjMM50AOE4
35/ To conclude, don't chase quick returns.

You're better off putting money in an index fund and compounding/getting rich slowly.

Don't fall prey to someone else's greed, and lose your money due to your own greed.
36/ Also, remember one thing finally.

With these untested, half-baked platforms, you're being treated like beta testers when their service itself is not proper or reliable.

They should pay you, and not the other way around.

Skip them altogether, save your hard earned money.

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You see so many people on Twitter saying

"Infosys ADR is up 5% today."

"ICICI Bank and HDFC Bank ADR ended highly positive today. Good move coming up for Banknifty."

Have you ever wondered what is ADR? You're not alone.

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1/ Back in the early 1900s, people were buying shares in foreign countries in the respective country's exchanges (many still do).

There are few issues with that:

- Complexity of the purchase
- Currency conversion issues
- Difficulty in transactions

and so on.

2/ JP Morgan saw this, and thought

"what if people could trade foreign companies

- in our country
- in our currency
- but without the companies having to list themselves here?"

ADR was born.

3/ ADR stands for American Depository Receipts.

It's like a share certificate, issued by a U.S depository bank (like CDSL here), but on a foreign company.

Usually one ADR unit represents one share of the foreign company.

4/ Here's how it works.

The depository bank buys the foreign company shares in the foreign exchange.

This depository bank holds the purchased shares as inventory.

It issues respective ADR for domestic trading.

The ADR is issued & traded in US Dollars.
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50 rookie mistakes to avoid as a stock market beginner - a thread.

1. Watching CNBC and acting on the recommendations provided by the "analysts", "experts" and "fund managers" who appear on TV.

Remember, most of them don't even beat the benchmark index on an annual basis.

2. Giving too much importance to Moneycontrol articles and recommendations. Moneycontrol profits off of noobs. They depend on you to make their money. They get paid by buy side firms who want to dump their positions, and sell side firms whose clients want to sell.

They also get paid to propagate rumours (albeit subtly) about stocks that the buy-side firms want to buy (albeit at lower prices) and sell-side firm clients want to buy. So, if you see a recommendation on moneycontrol, that marks the distribution phase (most of the times).

3. Listening to colleagues, friends, and family on what to invest on, where to invest, what stocks to buy. Usually these are also people who have no real expertise, but started a year or few months ahead of you. They only talk about their winners, you get very excited.

4. Listening to social media "experts". People on Twitter, Youtube, etc., even if they look like they are trading crores, or managing hundreds of crores, have different reasons for trading/investing in something. Typically, following them is the path to the butcher's shop.
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@theBuoyantMan
Breakout-retest-breakout

this pattern is among the high probability setups one can trade.

60-70% of breakouts fail.

If the breakout sustains the reversal pressure and manages to break above the breakout candle high,

there will be travel.

You can then take the trade in either of the two places.

1) When price is pulling back to the point of breakout - take trade at the breakout point.

If it closes inside the pre-breakout zone, get out.

2) When price pulls back, then breaks out of breakout candle high.

(1) is lower probability than (2) but higher probability than just taking the trade when price breaks out first.

It also comes with lower risk.

(2) is the highest probability trade (probably with relatively higher risk).

That said

If the breakout is from a multi-week or multi-month compression zone

do not expect pullbacks to happen immediately.

If they do happen, more often than not, it's a breakout failure.
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Shravan Venkataraman 🔥...
@theBuoyantMan
Do you keep your gold assets in bank locker? You are probably paying some fees every year for your lockers.

Instead, what if you could get a locker for free?

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1/ The major issue with having gold in bank lockers is

- You pay hefty fees on an annual basis to the bank.
- The lockers aren't insured
- There's no real safety/security in case of theft or an unfortunate event.

Is there a work around?

Yes.

Enter "Gold Monetisation Scheme".

2/ GOI introduced the Gold Monetisation Scheme in 2015. The main objective was to cut down India's gold imports.

How it works:

You deposit your gold in bank.
They keep it safe for a fixed number of years.
You get it back as physical gold or cash on maturity.

3/ What should you do to be eligible?

You should take the gold you want to deposit to a Collection and Purity Testing Centre (CPTC). GOI has established over 300 CPTC's across India.

They will take your gold, evaluate its purity, and provide a receipt for the gold quantity.

4/ You take the receipt to your bank.

Create a gold monetisation scheme account in your bank.

Give them the receipt provided by PTC.

Your bank will then convert that receipt to a scheme certificate as part of your GMS account.
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I soon realised that theta decay with sound adjustments is not an edge, which i earlier thought was & which gave me good returns over the years. After that i went deeper in understanding volatility behaviour, how/where it manifests & all the discrepancies in option chain. (2/n)

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A dedicated trader can learn all this in few years & it is something which is 'obvious' to become successful. But majority can't reach this level, as this also requires consistent hustle in live markets. All the seminar/webinar business teaches you till this level only.(4/n)

If you get passed this level though, the real work starts, when you have to find your real edge. This can't be taught in a webinar. It needs serious introspection of your trading skills, psychology & strategies in use, which ultimately allow you to book excellent profits. (5/n)
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It's much more powerful than you think

9 things TradingView can do, you'll wish you knew yesterday: 🧵

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1/ Free Multi Timeframe Analysis

Step 1. Download Vivaldi Browser

Step 2. Login to trading view

Step 3. Open bank nifty chart in 4 separate windows

Step 4. Click on the first tab and shift + click by mouse on the last tab.

Step 5. Select "Tile all 4 tabs"


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Refer to the attached picture.

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CHEAT-SHEET

Multiple Confirmation short.

A Short Entry that we shared in 2020.

Study it point wise.

1. Bearish Candle type and lowering of volume on Price rise.

2. OBV divergence.

3. Accumulation with Bearish candles and Volume increase on Price decrease.

STUDY IT!


Explanation

1. When price increases with a decreasing volume, it's bearish.

2. OBV, On Balance Volume should be correlated with price.
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"90% of the traders lose money, But do they lose it all the time?"

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[Thread]:

Below is the equity curve which is most traders dream.


This is equity curve of an average trader:

Most traders do make money, but they give it back to the markets .

Because of trading errors.

What are trading errors?


Trading errors are those errors which happen because of wrong Position sizing, Leverage , etc.

I am not making this up, check your P&L, 90 % of your losses would have come from less then 10% trades.

Most of these happen because of No knowledge, No plan, bad position sizing .

Now, we know what's the problem, lets talk about the solution.

1. Learn the Basics first-

If you don’t get the basics clear then how can you make money?

Learn How to use Support and resistances
Learn How to use trend lines
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Life is a continuous journey of going through peaks and troughs of Happiness and struggle.

We can only see the Happy part of other lives, but ignore what they might have gone through to achieve that.


But let me tell you, even if someone is at ease right now, doesn't mean that he will continue to be at ease for their whole life.

The struggle will come again and we will have to go through it ,whatever we do, whoever we are , we have to cross that river of pain.

Even,In trading there are times when nothing works out, you go through long time and money draw-downs.

Even if you think you are a master, you have to go through it.

If you are struggling right now, don't lose hope as the tables will turn.

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