No doubt the deal will be renegotiated by future governments; that's when rejoining might become a possibility. But it's years away.
No objections from me to Labour voting for the deal - despite my now being very much a Starmer sceptic. There are multiple reasons why Labour should vote for it.
1. We left the EU at the end of January. Leave v Remain has been done since then. Finished.
No doubt the deal will be renegotiated by future governments; that's when rejoining might become a possibility. But it's years away.
But right now, it's just about moving on.
It's wearisome I know. But most of us on here are far more political than most people.
- Appearing patriotic
- Backing the police and the armed forces
- Governing in the 'national interest'
On all three, Labour's position wasn't just bad under Corbyn. It's been worsening for a long, long, long time.
What I'd have done if I were Starmer is turn Labour into a post-Remain party, and seek a progressive, anti-Tory alliance. I despair of his lack of vision.
Does this run the risk of social liberals fleeing? You bet it does. But we can't win without social conservatives. Not under FPTP.
"How's he gonna win the Red Wall back? He's a Remainer!" He's already winning it back by pursuing this approach. And you can't win it back while remaining as socially liberal as Labour has been for decades.
Without those foundation stones in place, Labour won't get a hearing.
So many on here can't handle what that involves.
And THAT's why we've lost so much working class support. Because our values are not their values. Our values are those of the new working class: the young.
We couldn't win when we were too liberal; we'll have big problems winning by being much more Blue Labour.
What do we need? A progressive alliance. That's what we should all be campaigning for in my book.
You can't argue "we lost because of Brexit", then attack him for, er, supporting it.
Leaders with vision would recognise that. Starmer's just doing what he can within a bankrupt system.
I remember how I felt when reading the 2019 manifesto. How awesome I thought it was - because it made me feel so comfortable.
I remember @graceblakeley actually saying that she'd cried tears of joy when reading it too.
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4/ Imagine if the EU said it was looking to use UK citizens as “bargaining chips” to get a better trade deal
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Harvard's discriminatory policies are becoming increasingly well known, across the political spectrum (see, e.g., the recent lawsuit on discrimination against East Asian applications.)
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