I was told today about an event that shed light on a recent change to the PH ranking algorithm
A maker on Ramadan Makers launched a product, reached a decent amount of upvotes. They never made it to the homepage.
Makers, we need to talk.
We have a culture problem, and it's starting to bite back.
Our launch-and-dump culture on @ProductHunt is harmful, and it's hurting our goals as a community.
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I was told today about an event that shed light on a recent change to the PH ranking algorithm
A maker on Ramadan Makers launched a product, reached a decent amount of upvotes. They never made it to the homepage.
However, looking at the homepage just showed a different picture: products from bigger companies with only 12 upvotes, featured.
But there's a bigger problem, and it's a culture one.
This is the usual product lifecycle nowadays:
1. Launch on PH, Twitter
2. Gain attention and "internet points"
This causes issues.
a. Mistake the "hype" from your immediate circle as validation and ship someone nobody wants
b. Let the product die off as one feels satisfied with the launch
None of these are steps towards building a successful business.
Remember how we tell ourselves not to gather validation from family members?
The literal equivalent happens in the maker community - because we're all mostly invested in each other's success, similar to a family.
It turned out as a lesson for us: we validated mostly externally (customer discovery interviews) and what I call "gold nuggets".
This is probably the best value you can get from hype.
Validation = customer discovery + paying customers + gold nuggets.
But ultimately... people vote with their wallets.
We have created this culture where the ultimate goal of building a product is to launch on x place and that's it.
No. This is not what the maker community is about.
I say this out of a place of extreme care for the community - we sometimes have to acknowledge we're doing things wrong, and I admit - I've taken part in this problem.
We all have.
We've turned our back on that advice (unless you are targeting tech).
We're all bad at marketing, and promoting this culture of "launch once, success after" isn't doing us any favors.
This is the deeper problem beginning to bite back at us. We've created a *hard* dependency on Product Hunt for the success of our products, and that's a *scary* power to give to only one company.
This does *not* have anything to do with PH Makers and Makerlog competing in the same market segment.
Before accusations are thrown around: I will make clear that I am *not* doing this to hurt their company in any way.
We must evaluate our stances on marketing, especially when we've created a culture that gives so much power to a sole entity.
An algorithm change shouldn't "make or break" a product. You, the maker, should.
The fact that the entire maker community (for better or for worse) sees launching on your site as the "magic bullet to success" already gives you a LOT of power.
As long as you're honest and transparent about it.
This is a side effect of a greater problem.
In fact, I invite you to put your pitchforks down if they're up.
The intent is to open a healthy dialogue on this awful monoculture we've created.
I will probably follow up this post on https://t.co/ce0562FI3M, our new blog (which ironically launches on PH tonight...).
After all, we're just trying to create sustainable businesses, and the least we can do is be honest to ourselves about things.
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https://t.co/vYImcm1bTM
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5/ Here is what happened:
Professionally: pivoting a Series C company was a living hell in and of itself, as I’ve talked about before.
This is a thread about what happened, why and my emotions about it. For more detail:
https://t.co/vYImcm1bTM
Much of this I have never talked about.
2/ My goals: I hope it helps founders feel less lonely than I did. Little public content about the challenges of transitioning exists, but I longed for it. I’m not here to provide a playbook- just to share my experience. Hope it might build greater empathy.
Here goes….
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5/ Here is what happened:
Professionally: pivoting a Series C company was a living hell in and of itself, as I’ve talked about before.
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— Ryan Caldbeck (@ryan_caldbeck) April 16, 2019
This will be rambly and represents the chaos in my head at the time. There is [hopefully] no advice here. I don\u2019t know if we did it right.
The Beatles wrote “Yesterday” in less than a minute.
Led Zeppelin wrote “Rock And Roll” in 30 minutes.
The White Stripes, “Seven Nation Army”, 10 min during a soundcheck.
The Rolling Stones, “I Can’t Get No Satisfaction”, 40min.
Making a startup in 24 hours is perfectly fine.
I worked on my first startup for 2.5years. It was an events app. Sunk in cost and expectations were so high, that I had to close it, despite getting consistent revenue.
In comparison, I wrote @CryptoJobsList in 2 days. And it's way more meaningful than what I've been doing in my events startup for 2.5 years.
When I let go of my engineering ego and let go of expectations that I need to raise capital and hustle for 4+ years — I started lauching fast and interating fast without any expectations — then I started coming up with something truly meaningful and useful ✨
12 startups in 12 months by @levelsio
24 hour startup by @thepatwalls
— are great challenges that make you focus on the end product value, iterate fast and see what sticks and ruthlessly kill what does not work.
Led Zeppelin wrote “Rock And Roll” in 30 minutes.
The White Stripes, “Seven Nation Army”, 10 min during a soundcheck.
The Rolling Stones, “I Can’t Get No Satisfaction”, 40min.
Making a startup in 24 hours is perfectly fine.
I really think this idea of starting a starup in 24 hours is bad idea. Gives people thinking that you can do something meaningful in short period of time. https://t.co/l3x2ov33Qn
— Myk Pono \U0001f60e (@myxys) November 10, 2018
I worked on my first startup for 2.5years. It was an events app. Sunk in cost and expectations were so high, that I had to close it, despite getting consistent revenue.
In comparison, I wrote @CryptoJobsList in 2 days. And it's way more meaningful than what I've been doing in my events startup for 2.5 years.
When I let go of my engineering ego and let go of expectations that I need to raise capital and hustle for 4+ years — I started lauching fast and interating fast without any expectations — then I started coming up with something truly meaningful and useful ✨
12 startups in 12 months by @levelsio
24 hour startup by @thepatwalls
— are great challenges that make you focus on the end product value, iterate fast and see what sticks and ruthlessly kill what does not work.
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chimeric infectious clone grants were there.https://t.co/DAArwFkz6v is in 2017, Rs4231.
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