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Leavers beginning to realise EU states see EU *fundamentally* differently from how Leavers see it. THREAD 1/9


Some Leavers believe UK’s economic/political interests/qualities are fundamentally different from France & Germany. But this is so daft & so close to obvious extreme nationalism it never explained the EU’s existence for them 2/

But if UK isn’t fundamentally different from Germany & France. How to make sense of German / French EU membership? 3/


One Leaver coping strategy was “EU is bad idea for all EU states”, just they haven’t realised yet (not as clever as Brits ssh) and their bad establishments are suppressing bold independence movements 4/


But hoped-for Brexit copycats haven’t arrived. Greece seems determined to stay even as its economy improves. Anti-EU forces don’t win, or win but don’t try and leave. Remember how Hungary & Poland were going to back UK? Anyone? 5/
So, here’s a way of reframing this question: which societies enabled coexistence and collaboration between people with divergent social styles, rather than imposing a dominant social style? Such social pluralism is very important indeed.


I suspect that the vast majority of the answers to the original question will fall foul of the tendency to project ideal social arrangements that reflect our own style of social understanding and engagement, and that this will lead them to talk past one another.

Consider the perspective of someone far away from you on in the neurological map, who doesn’t overlap with your socially calibrated genetic resources for social intelligence: the social heaven of an autist introvert may be the social hell of a bipolar extrovert, and vice versa.

I’ve had many good conversations about this with people in different parts of the map who overlap with me in different ways (h/t @tjohnlinward, @dynamic_proxy, @maradydd, @mojozozoe, @UnclePhobic) whose personal heavens I would like to visit, but maybe not live in full time.

We get to see glimpses of these heavens not merely in the past, but in the present, and abstract their geometries, both in spatial/architectural terms (https://t.co/aTcRgtJOVJ) and in temporal/dynamic terms (). The physical/computational platforms around us configure our agency.
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MKULTRA survivor shares how Pierre Trudeau @JustinTrudeau daddy sexually abused her on Mackinaw Island, Michigan

It began w/ her abuse as a child to Gerald R Ford “buying” her, her father was protected under the blanket of National Security + then...

@politico @JustinTrudeau the mind control program was used to control her.
#GuyVanderjagt abused her sexually + she was then dedicated to Sen. Robert Byrd to run operations of drug trafficking.
While in Nashville, TN she watched Sen Byrd on the Grand old Opry stage w/ Wayne Cox on the fiddle. After...

@politico @JustinTrudeau she was subjected to a occult blood ritual. She witnessed Wayne Cox murder a railroad bum at the then abandoned Nashville Railroad yard, and cut off his hands - this was Wayne Cox’s M.O he used the severed hands to reactivate The mercenaries running the drugs in South America...

@politico @JustinTrudeau to remember what he could do to them. #mindcontrol

Nashville and Branson were fronts to distribute + run drugs.

she was sexually abused by @BillClinton + @HillaryClinton when Billy was the Governor of Arkansas. in 1978 his drug trafficking was in full swing. ...

@politico @JustinTrudeau @BillClinton @HillaryClinton Bill wasn’t as much into women as he is men, so the abuse by him was limited.
Her abuse was more at the hands of Hillary, who like Bill, is bisexual w/ each having their primary preferences sexually. Cathy O’Brien succumbed to a new level of mind control under @HillaryClinton