1. What is an iron fly
2. Perks and Drawbacks
3. What to do when in profit?
4. How to adjust when in loss?
5. Thread on How to keep shifting an iron fly for max credit?
6. Risk-free trades benefits
Let's dive in ↓
The most valuable hedging strategy you aren't using:
The IRON FLY STRATEGY.
Knowing how to use it will protect you from gaps and intraday spikes and 10x your hedging experience.
Here's the step-by-step guide:
Collaborated with @niki_poojary
1. What is an iron fly
2. Perks and Drawbacks
3. What to do when in profit?
4. How to adjust when in loss?
5. Thread on How to keep shifting an iron fly for max credit?
6. Risk-free trades benefits
Let's dive in ↓
Sell ATM CE and PE (Short straddle)
Buy OTM CE and PE (Hedge it by buying on both sides)
Look at the picture below for an example of an iron fly in current weekly options.
Many traders want to receive maximum theta or max credit.
This is why they sell straddles.
But straddles have unlimited risk in them, and can't handle gaps or intraday spikes.
This is why traders like knowing the maximum loss in their trades.
Low capital required—Possible to buy first, sell later
Limit losses—Know your maximum loss upfront
Adjustments—Can reduce losses to zero or almost nothing
Weekly earnings—Possible on a weekly basis
Jackpot—Potential for a jackpot if it expires in middle
Low Probability—If you want a low max loss, the probability is less than 30%
Higher Brokerage costs—Since there are 4 legs and then you will add 3-4 more to adjust costs will be higher
Slippages—Want to free margin from itm strikes, slippages are high
Apply price action and combine your strategy along with your view and technical analysis.
If good in technicals, then can increase the odds of success.
This will fetch you more money than blindly selling iron flies every week.
Technicals increase ROI.
When in profit usually, traders square off their buy legs and buy 1-2 strikes closer.
The aim is to—make the maximum losses even lower than when you started the trade.
Once this is very low, can even stay in the trade for a jackpot.
Since the initial range is small, when in loss, traders want to extend the range of the fly.
They pump in more capital and open another iron fly or a broken wing fly (buy just one side and not two like iron fly).
This way the payoff becomes better.
There are multiple ways for different scenarios.
Very good content on Youtube regarding this.
I will have to do another thread on just the adjustments.
I already mentioned that if you are good at technicals you can use iron fly to have a very good risk-reward trade on your hands.
For eg, in the current week, if your view was bullish instead of selling ATM straddles, you sold 4-5 few strikes above ATM.
I found good content about them on @kapildhama Bhai & @SarangSood Sir's handles.
Both have been extensively doing iron flies for a few years.
Also attached Nitin Kamath's article on trading via strategies.
Shows you how to adjust an iron fly.
Intuitively understand what you are doing.
(@SarangSood)
https://t.co/S6r5IXy3dP
THREAD ON IRONFLY
— Sarang Sood (@SarangSood) December 12, 2020
These days the most preferred strategy for option sellers due to improved margins is IRONFLY. It's essentially a short straddle with long strangle. Long strangle acting as 'WINGS', which help in capping the unlimited risk associated with a short straddle.(1/n)
Can wait for a jackpot
Avoid getting out early with small profits, he believes if you book the strategy out fully in small profits
over the long run hard to make money
as we take full losses when wrong.
(@kapildhama)
https://t.co/RcSwZBknZh
Thread on Iron fly\U0001f447
— Kapil Dhama \U0001f1ee\U0001f1f3 (@kapildhama) August 19, 2021
Many people ask me what is the benefit if we make Iron Fly loss free
last week we made a 35900 Iron fly, and market closed at 35500, if we didn\u2019t make if loss free then we would get max 50 points and if market fall below 35500 then we will book loss
(1/4) pic.twitter.com/8wQ1uO7zCb
I asked @SarangSood Sir a question, he used to sell an iron fly before expiry day every week.
Good pointers from him and @kapildhama Bhai.
Can read this thread for their answers.
https://t.co/p28hU5LgIS
Why do you sell an iron fly every Wednesday? What are the perks of doing it versus selling naked?
— Aditya Todmal (@AdityaTodmal) August 29, 2020
I sell strangles 99% of the time. No hedge.
Which one is a better strategy to make more money on Thursday opening? @SarangSood
Sell next week straddles as they will have huge premiums.
Buy current week options to hedge them as they will be very cheap.
If anywhere near the center can make good money.
(@kapildhama)
(@shubham_quant)
https://t.co/k1GRkq1BCM
Even he has suggested trading through strategies keeps traders profitable over the longer run.
(@Nithin0dha)
https://t.co/qq5hePi9Ue
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DJ @ITRADE191 multiple chart analysis for INTRADAY TRADING.
1. Core setup
2. Pivot points trades
3. PDH/PDL trades
4. Open interest addictions combined with rejections on charts.
5. Website to confirm bias
Very quick read.
Share if you liked for the benefit of everyone.
•Main setup of @ITRADE191
He used this setup daily for all trades.
1. EMA crossover 10/20
2. Supertrend 10/3
3. Vwap
4. RSI >
•Volume always greater than
•Candle Rejecting from
•Pivot settings
1. Core setup
2. Pivot points trades
3. PDH/PDL trades
4. Open interest addictions combined with rejections on charts.
5. Website to confirm bias
Very quick read.
Share if you liked for the benefit of everyone.
•Main setup of @ITRADE191
He used this setup daily for all trades.
1. EMA crossover 10/20
2. Supertrend 10/3
3. Vwap
4. RSI >
@MiteshFan @Mitesh_Engr @Abhishekkar_ MY TRADING SETUP .... I've been using it for a long time .. result good try it \U0001f607 pic.twitter.com/XThUD0ftbl
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•Volume always greater than
Volume Should always be above 20 pic.twitter.com/CPgxLgpPKF
— itrade(DJ) (@ITRADE191) June 13, 2020
•Candle Rejecting from
— itrade(DJ) (@ITRADE191) August 25, 2020
•Pivot settings
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A THREAD ON @SarangSood
Decoded his way of analysis/logics for everyone to easily understand.
Have covered:
1. Analysis of volatility, how to foresee/signs.
2. Workbook
3. When to sell options
4. Diff category of days
5. How movement of option prices tell us what will happen
1. Keeps following volatility super closely.
Makes 7-8 different strategies to give him a sense of what's going on.
Whichever gives highest profit he trades in.
2. Theta falls when market moves.
Falls where market is headed towards not on our original position.
3. If you're an options seller then sell only when volatility is dropping, there is a high probability of you making the right trade and getting profit as a result
He believes in a market operator, if market mover sells volatility Sarang Sir joins him.
4. Theta decay vs Fall in vega
Sell when Vega is falling rather than for theta decay. You won't be trapped and higher probability of making profit.
Decoded his way of analysis/logics for everyone to easily understand.
Have covered:
1. Analysis of volatility, how to foresee/signs.
2. Workbook
3. When to sell options
4. Diff category of days
5. How movement of option prices tell us what will happen
1. Keeps following volatility super closely.
Makes 7-8 different strategies to give him a sense of what's going on.
Whichever gives highest profit he trades in.
I am quite different from your style. I follow the market's volatility very closely. I have mock positions in 7-8 different strategies which allows me to stay connected. Whichever gives best profit is usually the one i trade in.
— Sarang Sood (@SarangSood) August 13, 2019
2. Theta falls when market moves.
Falls where market is headed towards not on our original position.
Anilji most of the time these days Theta only falls when market moves. So the Theta actually falls where market has moved to, not where our position was in the first place. By shifting we can come close to capturing the Theta fall but not always.
— Sarang Sood (@SarangSood) June 24, 2019
3. If you're an options seller then sell only when volatility is dropping, there is a high probability of you making the right trade and getting profit as a result
He believes in a market operator, if market mover sells volatility Sarang Sir joins him.
This week has been great so far. The main aim is to be in the right side of the volatility, rest the market will reward.
— Sarang Sood (@SarangSood) July 3, 2019
4. Theta decay vs Fall in vega
Sell when Vega is falling rather than for theta decay. You won't be trapped and higher probability of making profit.
There is a difference between theta decay & fall in vega. Decay is certain but there is no guaranteed profit as delta moves can increase cost. Fall in vega on the other hand is backed by a powerful force that sells options and gives handsome returns. Our job is to identify them.
— Sarang Sood (@SarangSood) February 12, 2020
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1. Best Sources of knowledge for a beginner in option selling?
Zerodha Varsity from @Nithin0dha's team & the @tastytrade financial network.
Links:
2. Top YouTube Channel for Options Learning?
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What you'll learn:
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2. How to scale an account with risk-reward in option selling.
3. Technical analysis logics you can use daily.
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3. What are the preconditions to start option Selling:
You should know technical Analysis basics like:
- Support/Resistance
- Chart Patterns
- Candle Patterns
- Dow Theory (HH, LL)
This will help you start taking high probability trades.
4. Risk Management is a must for option selling
If you don't learn to manage your risk, making money in trading is going to be an extremely difficult endeavor
Have some rules:
1. Risk no more than 0.25% per trade as a beginner
2. Risk no more than 2% in a day for the first year
Collaborated with @niki_poojary
1. Best Sources of knowledge for a beginner in option selling?
Zerodha Varsity from @Nithin0dha's team & the @tastytrade financial network.
Links:
2. Top YouTube Channel for Options Learning?
Power of Stocks - Subhasish Pani
What you'll learn:
1. How to form a trading plan.
2. How to scale an account with risk-reward in option selling.
3. Technical analysis logics you can use daily.
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15 Learnings from Power of Stocks: \U0001f9f5
— Aditya Todmal (@AdityaTodmal) January 23, 2022
Collaborated with @niki_poojary
3. What are the preconditions to start option Selling:
You should know technical Analysis basics like:
- Support/Resistance
- Chart Patterns
- Candle Patterns
- Dow Theory (HH, LL)
This will help you start taking high probability trades.
4. Risk Management is a must for option selling
If you don't learn to manage your risk, making money in trading is going to be an extremely difficult endeavor
Have some rules:
1. Risk no more than 0.25% per trade as a beginner
2. Risk no more than 2% in a day for the first year
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