Why are there rampant xian conversions in Andhra Pradesh ?
When did ths begin ?
Who is responsible ?

This thread attempts to expose the root cause.

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The historical perspective, which I consider irrelevant for today is due to a woman named Bathineni Subbamma.
During the pre-independence time she was told by the missionaries that she could retain her caste even after becoming a xian.

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For those curious, she was of Kamma caste, not a Reddy. Many mistakenly assume the latter were pioneers in this. No it began with the Kammas.
Anyway to cut a long story short, Bathineni converted and established an "Ashram" for conversions in West Godavari district.
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Subsequently, there were other criminals too but not worth mentioning in context of the thread.
A couple of years before Bathineni was born a boy took birth in the very same Krishna district. He however chose a different profession.

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While Bathineni was busy trying to convert people, this boy entered the world of movies as an actor.
And boy was he successful !!
To my limited knowledge he set a benchmark as a hero in commercial films which is looked upon with respect even today.
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Other than films with social stories, he gained stardom portraying gods like Rama and Krishna.

He was none other than N T Rama Rao. (popularly known as NTR)
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Now where does a film-star figure in present day conversions of Andhra ?
Patience, we will get to that.

The Telugus like many in India are an extremely intelligent race with achievements in all kinds of fields over the centuries.
They have an Achilles heel though.

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All intelligence/logic/reason vanishes when it comes to movies. They intentionally behave like lobotomized Sloths. (A Sloth is the most stupid animal on Earth)

The behaviour of Telugu people when it comes to films cannot be described. It has to be seen to be believed.
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The most hilarious part of it is they are extremely proud of their stupidity in regards to films.

Coming back to NTR, he was the undisputed king of his times with an equally fanatical following. During these times the Telugu movie industry was located in Chennai.

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Staying in Chennai, NTR was influenced by commies and most notably by E V Ramasamy who laid the foundations for destroying Hinduism in TN.

(if there is anyone to surpass the stupidity of Telugu/Tamil fans, it is EVR fans)

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Anyway after portraying many characters from Ramayana & Mahabharata, NTR chose to make a film on his own.
He wrote, directed, produced and acted in a movie titled "Daana Veera Soora Karna". The movie eulogizes Karna of Mahabharata.

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The same Karna who suggested Draupadi should be stripped naked in the royal court. (the grey character of Karna in the epic is out of scope of this thread)

Bottom-line is NTR depicted a villain as a wrongly persecuted hero.

And boy, did the Telugu public lap it up !

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The film is considered to be one of the highest grossing of its times.
The reality of the character according to the epic ?

What rubbish are you talking ?

NTR showed it in a film. He must be right. To hell with Vyasa.

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This attitude exists with the modern day Telugu youth and a three generations before it.
Films are "Gospel Truth". (Pun intended)

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Anyway in the very same year NTR made another movie mocking Hindu gods.
Film titled "Yamagola".

NTR on reaching hell preaches Communism to lord Yama forcing hell to stop functioning. And this is after mocking Indra in heaven.

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Anyway the movie goes on to ridicule Lord Yama and Chitragupta.
I think this was the film which pioneered Chitragupta as a joker to be mocked at.

(If only the people laughing while watching the film were to know the truth...)

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Like his previous film on Karna even this was a colossal hit.
The Telugu people could not get enough of this.

Even today many watch it and enjoy seeing their gods mocked on the screen.

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I am no scholar or academician but would argue that the degeneration of the Telugus started in 1960s with films being the primary cause.

Now what does the degeneration of the Telugus due to movies have to do with xian conversions in the state ?

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Even those who have never read the epic Ramayana know that Ravana donned saffron robes when he came to abduct Sita.

Like the many incomparable seers of Bharatavarsha, some have worn the same clothes but for a different reason.

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The now (in)famous "Shankaracharya" at Vizag is an example but let me not digress.

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NTR donned saffron robes and declared himself a "Brahmasri".
Nobody would have bothered much about this but for those who gave him "Aarati" like you do during puja.

NTR insisted on this and there were many who believed he was a god !

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All this was a good joke until he decided to enter politics.

NTR entering politics brought about two radical changes in Andhra -

1. Caste as a major factor
2. Institutionalizing hatred towards Brahmins

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Political parties flirting with goondas in Vijayawada (erstwhile political capital of the state) was not uncommon but the entry of NTR made it a norm.

So far we have seen that a Kamma through films successfully brought about degeneration in the Telugu society.

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Does this have anything to do with the Kamma lady Bathineni who pioneered xian conversions in Andhra ?

Nope, NTR turned out to be much worse than Bathineni Subbamma. After all he studied in Andhra Christian college at Guntur.

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He created a new law called the "Andhra Pradesh Charitable & Hindu Religious Institutions and Endowments Act" in 1987.

This IS the major reason for conversions today.
Let us examine the frightening aspects of it.

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The law applies to -

(a) all public charitable institutions and endowments, whether registered or not, in accordance with provisions of this Act, other than Wakfs governed by the provisions of the Wakfs Act, 1954.

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Even unregistered Hindu institutions come under its ambit but explicitly makes sure RoP is not part of it.

This is reflected in how @JaiTDP MP has promised Muslims in Vijayawada that he will not implement CAA if his party wins the municipal polls.

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Also note that it includes "Unregistered".
This means if I create a fund on my own for providing monetary allowance to temple purohits, this act applies to me.
Not so if it is for those running a madrasaa.

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The definition of the following is defined in the act -

1. "Board" means the Tirumala-Tirupathi Devasthanams Board
2. "Chairman" means the Chairman of the Board of the Committee of Management of Tirumala-Tirupathi Devasthanams

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The Act basically defines how the Tirupati temple is under the control of the government (to enable looting).

More definitions from the Act -

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(3) "charitable endowment" means all property given or endowed for any charitable purpose;
This means - Any property which belonged to or was given or endowed for the support or maintenance of a charitable institution or which was given, endowed or used as of a right for

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any charitable purpose shall be deemed to be a charitable endowment within the meaning of this definition, notwithstanding that before or after the commencement of this Act, the charitable institution has ceased to exist or ceased to be used for any charitable purpose

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or the charity has ceased to be performed.

Tl:dr - any property donated for charity to a Hindu institution belongs to the government.
(as specified earlier only Hindu property)

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Section [(10-A) defines 'Dharmika Parishad' means the Andhra Pradesh Dharmika Parishad constituted under Section 152.
This parishad does not exist today.
As the name implies it was a body to preserve/spread Hinduism and temples across the state.

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The draconian act doesn't stop at temples. Check its next definition -

(17) "Math" means a Hindu Religious Institution presided over by a person, whose principal duty is to engage himself in the teaching and propagation of Hindu religion and philosophy or the teachings and

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philosophy of the denomination, sect or sampradaya to which the math belongs.

It goes on to define "Maths" or "Mutts" to exercise control over them.

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Let us say I create a fixed deposit in the bank to provide free meals to devotees during Ganesh Chaturthi every year.

Surprise surprise !

The government can take over this too :-)
How ?

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(21) "Religious charity" means a public charity associated with a Hindu festival or observance of a religious character, whether connected with a religious institution or not;

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Assume a religious guru/sadhu/sage has passed away. I create a garden or worshipping area around his samadhi. The government will gladly include this under the act.

Reminder - Only for Hindus.
Law created by movie star who made a name for himself playing Rama/Krishna.

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the Government shall appoint a Commissioner, Additional Commissioner and such number of Regional Joint Commissioners, Deputy Commissioners and Assistant Commissioners as they think fit for the purpose of exercising the powers and performing the functions conferred on or

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entrusted to them by or under this Act.

Though no explanation is required it defines the appointment of the government goondas to enforce this act.

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A xian was appointed as the Executive Officer for the richest Hindu temple in the world.
Non-Hindus are employed in the same temple today.

Which government appointed them ?

This government also appointed non-Hindus in other famous temples across the state.

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The person who calls himself Visionary of @JaiTDP is responsible for this.

How could he do it ?

The Hinduphobic Act devised by his father-in-law made it possible.

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Let me give an example.

A relatively famous temple has X as its chief deity.
The Murthi used to sport a moustache.

This was removed by the Executive Officer of the temple on the premise (hold your breath) "Nobody under him can have a bigger moustache".

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No, this is not a joke.

The temple will not be named to protect its purohit. When I offered to put money in the purohit's plate and not the Hundi, he just smiled.

Later on he told me that CCTV cameras record that and he has to surrender everything.

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He even refused to converse with me in the temple premises for more than 3-5 minutes.
Apparently the Executive Officer does not like it. Anyway he gave me his home address if I wanted to talk more.

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When I met him in the afternoon, it didn't take long for him to break down into tears. I do not possess the skills of @/TeluguTalli in writing to describe this purohit's story.

Do read her her gut wrenching story of Arasavalli temple if you already haven't.

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The above temple is historically connected to Sri Krishna Deva Raya.
Imagine the plight of unknown/smaller temples ?

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The Act goes on to define various other things like trustees/board members/purohits etc.

Only thing which needs to be stated explicitly is that the government reserves the full right to appoint or dismiss any of these people.

Hereditary rights are abolished.

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Bottomline is this is an Act which would have made a rabid missionary ecstatic.
The ground was well laid by the then Chief Minister to destroy temples and everything associated with them in Andhra Pradesh.
Remember it was the very same CM who became famous as Rama/Krishna

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on screen and then made films ridiculing Hindu gods/goddesses.

This fad of ridiculing Hindu deities on screen has been so normalized over the years that people think you are crazy if you object to it.

The degeneration is complete.

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Let me not digress.
Anyway we have established that the Act became a tool to destroy temples and Hinduism in Andhra.

Now what is it about temples that attracted the invaders of Bharatavarsha over the centuries ?
More than priceless jewels/gold/artefacts ?

It was land.

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It was the British who first realised this and passed legislation to take control over temple land.

But let us stick to anti-Hindu NTR who actually made sure he could do it in his tenure.

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Let us take the example of a temple in Andhra Pradesh. Traditionally the temple had land of its own. Cultivable land.
This was used as sustenance for the upkeep of the temple. By upkeep of the temple it includes providing food to the poor, education to children etc.

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This land was more often than not donated by various kings or other feudal lords since times immemorial.

Depending on the decisions of the temple trustees, the temple would cultivate the land by itself or lease it out to the villagers.
A self-sustaining eco-system.

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The anti-Hindu Act implemented by NTR ensured that this land could be taken over by the government if it wanted to.

And the government has done so on many occasions WITHOUT paying the necessary compensation.
(Described in an earlier thread)

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Scenario #1 -
A large family survives on cultivating leased land of a temple.
One day the government decides to take over the land for setting up an orphanage.
(We know who runs orphanages in India but that is another story)

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Now the family is deprived of any income or means to generate it.
Now the friendly guy in a white nightie turns up.
Earlier the very same family would mock or even spit on this guy.
But now he has all the answers. He can provide capital for setting up a shop/business.

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He can make sure the children in the family are provided "English" education in the orphanage being built by the government.
The fees to be paid to the man in the white nightie ?

Convert and after a year pay 10% of your shop income to the church every month.

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Scenario #2-

A resident of the village works very hard in cultivating half an acre of land to sustain his family. Let us assume he is from the "privileged class".

The farmer works very hard to educate his son who does his bit in joining IIT and later flying to USA

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for doing a MS and eventually finding a job there. As the years go by the son gets a green card or citizenship and settles in US.
His parents in the village pass away and the land is grabbed by XYZ.
The son flies back to sell his land.

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He tries to complain about XYZ to the cops. He is literally laughed out of the police station.

Magically the man in white nightie appears !
He will help the son in freeing the land from XYZ and selling it.

His fees for the help rendered ?

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Convert and pay 10-15 % of the sale value to the church. Seeing the easy way out the son agrees.

Though he converts, it remains a dirty secret to him when he goes back to the US.

He continues to practise the faith he was born in.

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Scenario #3 -
Laxmi was bored. She had married well. Her husband owned about 30 acres of good cultivable land and he worked hard.
Having married early both her sons were in their late teens for whom life outside was more important and mother was just an existing entity.

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40 year old Laxmi wanted something new in her life. It was becoming jaded.
As a child she would go play near her village temple and attend the music/dance classes there.
Now in this village the temple was open only for a few hours.

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and there were no such classes or evening bhajans/discourses she could attend.

To top it all, she had seen all the new movies more than 3 times on Tv.

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Magically there is the friendly man in a white nightie at her door.
He does something very exciting. He brings a White man to the village !!
Everyone in the village had seen a White man only on the screen or in books.

Ah ! He is so wonderful !

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He even knows some words in Telugu too !
And he says such wonderful things too ! (translated by nightie man)
The White man speaks so beautifully of love of mankind and how everyone in the village can become like him. How ?
Just convert !
You can retain your caste too !

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All the above scenarios are true life stories.

Stories of converting purely for the greed of money or medical reasons are not mentioned here.

There are many more, but I think these are enough to illustrate what is happening.

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Basically what NTR did can be classified into the following steps -

1. Enable the people to stop thinking
2. Normalise hatred/ridicule on their beliefs
3. Gain political power
4. Create legislation and literally amputate them from following their ancient traditions

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5. When the people are staring into a black-hole, bring about the guy in a white nightie to save them !

I know the above sounds like some conspiracy theory, but that is exactly the history of Andhra Pradesh.

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The people foolishly hail NTR as some god and his son-in-law @ncbn as a visionary.

The truth is they have destroyed this state while hilariously calling themselves Dharmic and using the phrase "Telugu pride".

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The party in power @YSRCParty is nakedly xian.

As recent news have shown, many temples/murthis in Andhra have been vandalized.

What the news will not show is there are many unreported stories of vandalism.

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The next time any @jaiTDP supporter says he is dharmic and asks you to vote for Telugu pride......

Any @YSRCParty supporter asks you for a vote.....

Thread was written in view of the upcoming municipal polls in the state.

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Despite being a cynic, I somehow feel better days are ahead for the state.
As it is said, everything must go really bad before it gets better. Console myself into thinking we are in that phase.

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Disclaimers -

1. I have no intention of insulting/denigrating any community/race/religion.

2. I have nothing but utmost contempt & disgust for film fans who think movies are the beginning and end of everything.

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