Thread on #AyurvedicSurgeons

I have been quiet on this issue because I have read history of medicine in India & written about it in my published articles. You can check them out on my blog

Ayurveda got stoned by the British during the period they ruled India. Let us agree that+

Let us also agree that the tradition of Guru Shishya Parampare was lost during this period in Ayurveda.

Creation of Medical Register & Registered Medical Practitioners where traditional medicine doctors including Ayurveda were not registered literally killed Ayurveda practices+
Ayurveda practitioners of 18th & early 19th century had to face lot of problems because of this.

Did you know that Apothecaries & Doctors of Allopathic medicine were the first brown sahibs??

The labourers estates of South India were converted to churchi using their influence
Traditional medicine had to be reigned in to use modern medicine as manna & to convert the unwashed masses where their God had not reached.

I am happy that Traditional medicine is getting its due now. However it should not become Ayurveda vs Allopathy like it is depicted now +
Surgery is a specialised branch of Healthcare. As a hospital administrator I know how difficult it is to ensure that the patient gets the best care.

Do you know that Operation theatres have undergone sea change just in past 20 years. Even the air inside changed every few minutes
Surgery is not just about cutting a patient who is willing to subject himself to such a procedure. It is team work.

It starts with design of operation theatres which cause less pain, mental agony & infection to the patient undergoing surgery.

Then comes Anesthesia.
In the past 175 years since Anesthesia emerged I can proudly say that this speciality has been responsible for the advancement of every department of Surgery.

Today it is huge speciality with lot of responsibility & various sub specialities like Cardiac, Neuro, Obstetric etc.
Then there is CSSD (Sterilisation) & Antibiotics. Understanding CSSD & helping the patient by ensuring that he is least exposed to opportunistic infections during stressful per operative period forms the crux of team work.

Surgery is not about operation. At best it is 10% of it.
After above conditions are met, we go to actual operation where operators (surgical team) are involved. Each surgery is unique & a challenge to the team. On top of it we have 20 different departments doing 500 different surgeries

It is not Model T car to be put on assembly line.
My son had to undergo a complex ENT procedure, we chose a surgeon who had 30+ years experience & did the procedure in a fully equipped theatre where every possible complications could be addressed.

I will never want anything less for any patient of mine or for any person.
What I want to say is; the operating team will have cumulative experience of 50 to 100 years before embarking on a surgery on a patient who has consented for it.

As a hospital administrator I will not allow a rookie surgeon who has just passed his MS to operate on patients
The operating team & the key surgeon should have proven track record before I allow them to operate in our hospital. It is the case in most hospitals where surgeries are done today

I do not know if Central Council for Indian Medicine (CCIM) has understood this complexities fully
India today is a nation of laws. Equality is everything.

Can we allow a patient to get substandard treatment by a doctor who is not trained & evaluated just because he is poor ??

I am sorry that the British & successive Govts did not allow Ayurvedic medicine/surgery to develop
However if Ayurveda wants to start doing surgery today we will not accept it unless they know Anesthesia, per op care & post op care.

I am not saying this because I practice allopathy but because I am a hospital administrator. Today my concerns are different & wholesome.
I will not accept a team with less than 50 years cumulative experience to operate on patients.

So if Ayurvedic Surgeons have to do surgery in the most equipped theatres they have to do MS Surgery & work for 10 years as assistant to the chief Surgeon.

Patients come first
I am happy the world recognises Sushruta for his contribution to Surgery but that was a long time ago. Centuries ago.

I am not going to allow you to bask in his glory. You better prove yourself if you have to operate on our patients.

Allopathic or Ayurvedic does not matter.

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Remember woman who tuk multiple @SriSriTattva products 4 range of problems frm diabetes 2 gas 2 liver disease & developed liver failure, listed for liver transplant?
Here is original thread:
https://t.co/PXxI1Slyv2
23 samples, Analysis results
#MedTwitter #livertwitter


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Before I go into results, I must say this was overwhelming. There was SO MUCH the lab identified, impossible to put everything here. So I made a summary. At the end of this thread, I have linked a full analysis described in Excel format. Some results were VERY concerning

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How did we analyse?
Here R links 2 methods
They R high end, done under strict protocols
Frm Ministry of Forest, Environment, Climate / NABL approvd Lab
ICP-OES https://t.co/O1CLhqVQAu
GC MSMS https://t.co/zRJoXyWQIr
FTIR https://t.co/goAembQ08p
Here is list V analysed 👇


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Sample names written on top (each column).
First 5 samples: C what we identified in #Ayurveda #medicines
Antibiotics
Steroids (anabolic/synthetic)
#NARCOTICS - LSD, Morphine
Blood thinners (possible reason Y bleeding tests were off the roof in the patient)
Heavy metals!


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Next 5 samples (total 10 now)
Mercury is clear winner. Almost all samples
See controlled substances - Butyrolactones https://t.co/CPz0FwPEOm, methylamine https://t.co/OZnXY7U9UQ
Alcohols, industrial solvents
Rare metals - cobalt, lithium
Again lots of blood thinners
#Ayush
I think @SamAdlerBell in his quest to be the contrarian on Fauci gets several things wrong here. 1/


First, the failure last year actually was driven by the White House, the #Trump inner circle. Watch what's happening now, the US' scientific and public health infrastructure is creaking back to life. 2/

I think Sam underestimates the decimation of many of our health agencies over the past four years and the establishment of ideological control over them during the pandemic. 3/

I also am puzzled why Tony gets the blame for not speaking up, etc. Robert Redfield, Brett Giroir, Deb Birx, Jerome Adams, Alex Azar all could have done the same. 4/

Several of these people Bob Redfield, Brett Giroir, Alex Azar were led by craven ambition, Jerome Adams by cowardice, but I do think Deb Birx and Tony tried as institutionalists, insiders to make a difference. 5/
Let's talk honestly about "informed consent."
Someone with decades of training gives someone with none advice usually packed into 1-3 mins. Huge amount is based on trust. Huge potential for bias built in. But also there is no obligation to provide real alternative options.


I am classified as 'gifted' (obnoxious and ableist term). I mention because of what I am about to say. You all know that I was an ambulatory wheelchair user previously - could stand - but contractures have ended that. When I pleaded for physio, turned down. But did you know...

I recently was chatting with a doctor I know and explaining what happened and the day the physiatrist told me it was too late and nothing could be done. The doctor asked if I'd like one of her friends/colleagues to give second opinion. I said yes please! So...

She said can you send me MRI and other imaging they did to determine it wasn't possible to address your contractures.

Me: What?
Dr.: They did a MRI first before deciding right?
Me: No
Dr: What did they do??!
Me: Examined me for 2 minutes.
Dr: I am very angry rn. Can't talk.

My point is you don't even know if you are making "informed" decisions because the only source of information you have is the person who has already decided what they think you should do. And may I remind you of a word called 'compliance.'

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