No doubt the deal will be renegotiated by future governments; that's when rejoining might become a possibility. But it's years away.
No objections from me to Labour voting for the deal - despite my now being very much a Starmer sceptic. There are multiple reasons why Labour should vote for it.
1. We left the EU at the end of January. Leave v Remain has been done since then. Finished.
No doubt the deal will be renegotiated by future governments; that's when rejoining might become a possibility. But it's years away.
But right now, it's just about moving on.
It's wearisome I know. But most of us on here are far more political than most people.
- Appearing patriotic
- Backing the police and the armed forces
- Governing in the 'national interest'
On all three, Labour's position wasn't just bad under Corbyn. It's been worsening for a long, long, long time.
What I'd have done if I were Starmer is turn Labour into a post-Remain party, and seek a progressive, anti-Tory alliance. I despair of his lack of vision.
Does this run the risk of social liberals fleeing? You bet it does. But we can't win without social conservatives. Not under FPTP.
"How's he gonna win the Red Wall back? He's a Remainer!" He's already winning it back by pursuing this approach. And you can't win it back while remaining as socially liberal as Labour has been for decades.
Without those foundation stones in place, Labour won't get a hearing.
So many on here can't handle what that involves.
And THAT's why we've lost so much working class support. Because our values are not their values. Our values are those of the new working class: the young.
We couldn't win when we were too liberal; we'll have big problems winning by being much more Blue Labour.
What do we need? A progressive alliance. That's what we should all be campaigning for in my book.
You can't argue "we lost because of Brexit", then attack him for, er, supporting it.
Leaders with vision would recognise that. Starmer's just doing what he can within a bankrupt system.
I remember how I felt when reading the 2019 manifesto. How awesome I thought it was - because it made me feel so comfortable.
I remember @graceblakeley actually saying that she'd cried tears of joy when reading it too.
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Funny, before the election I recall lefties muttering the caravan must have been a Trump setup because it made the open borders crowd look so bad. Why would the pro-migrant crowd engineer a crisis that played into Trump's hands? THIS is why. THESE are the "optics" they wanted.
This media manipulation effort was inspired by the success of the "kids in cages" freakout, a 100% Stalinist propaganda drive that required people to forget about Obama putting migrant children in cells. It worked, so now they want pics of Trump "gassing children on the border."
There's a heavy air of Pallywood around the whole thing as well. If the Palestinians can stage huge theatrical performances of victimhood with the willing cooperation of Western media, why shouldn't the migrant caravan organizers expect the same?
It's business as usual for Anarchy, Inc. - the worldwide shredding of national sovereignty to increase the power of transnational organizations and left-wing ideology. Many in the media are true believers. Others just cannot resist the narrative of "change" and "social justice."
The product sold by Anarchy, Inc. is victimhood. It always boils down to the same formula: once the existing order can be painted as oppressors and children as their victims, chaos wins and order loses. Look at the lefties shrieking in unison about "Trump gassing children" today.
Funny there are those who think these migrant caravans were a FANTASTIC idea that's going to take the immigration issue away from you.
— Brian Cates (@drawandstrike) November 26, 2018
Like several weeks watching a rampaging horde storm the fences & throw rocks at our border patrol agents & getting gassed = great optics!
This media manipulation effort was inspired by the success of the "kids in cages" freakout, a 100% Stalinist propaganda drive that required people to forget about Obama putting migrant children in cells. It worked, so now they want pics of Trump "gassing children on the border."
There's a heavy air of Pallywood around the whole thing as well. If the Palestinians can stage huge theatrical performances of victimhood with the willing cooperation of Western media, why shouldn't the migrant caravan organizers expect the same?
It's business as usual for Anarchy, Inc. - the worldwide shredding of national sovereignty to increase the power of transnational organizations and left-wing ideology. Many in the media are true believers. Others just cannot resist the narrative of "change" and "social justice."
The product sold by Anarchy, Inc. is victimhood. It always boils down to the same formula: once the existing order can be painted as oppressors and children as their victims, chaos wins and order loses. Look at the lefties shrieking in unison about "Trump gassing children" today.