@GunduHuDuGa That's a good qsn, if not a bit nuanced. Avataras are of many varieties and frankly, most of the classification is only for our understanding and not really binding on Paramatma Himself. We can take several approaches to understanding this. If you go by a Vedantic approach,+
Varaha janmani bhabhuvuramee samudra |
Tam naama naadamaravindha drusham Yasoda
Paanidwayantara jalai snapayaam bhabhoova ||
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This nonsense stems due to "reading" Vedas like any other book. There seems to be some confusion even among traditional aasthikas regarding this and I've seen even upanyasarks talking nonsense. However, one must know the proper way of understanding Vedam. Let's take an eg. +
When you use your limbs for doing work, do you say Mr. Hand has lifted an object or Mr. Legs have taken you to a place? No, right? You say my hands and my legs. How come they are "your" hands and legs when they are clearly independent entities? That means you associate your+
limbs with your being. The results of their work is enjoyed by your "Self" and not by the limbs themselves. Similarly, all Devatas are angaas or limbs of the Paramatma. Whatever duties they carry out are under His supervision and their adulation goes to Him ultimately.+
Just like how a CEO represents all employees and each person's achievements directly reflect on the company, a particular Devata say Indra's duty is work delegated by Paramatma and when that goes astray, He takes upon Himself to rectify the same.
Aakaasaat pathitham thoyam yadaagacchathi saagaram sarvadeva namaskara: Kesavam (or Sankaram) prathigacchathi. Just like how different drops of rain ultimately merge into the sea, adulations of all dieties ultimately reaches the One Supreme Brahman.+
Vishnu\xa0is a Rigvedic deity, but not a prominent one when compared to Indra, Agni and others Just 5 out of 1028 hymns of the Rigveda are dedicated to\xa0Vishnu, although He is\xa0mentioned\xa0in other hys He is also described in the Vedic literature as the one who supports heaven and earth
— Vamangi (@RudraaShiv) January 1, 2021
When you use your limbs for doing work, do you say Mr. Hand has lifted an object or Mr. Legs have taken you to a place? No, right? You say my hands and my legs. How come they are "your" hands and legs when they are clearly independent entities? That means you associate your+
limbs with your being. The results of their work is enjoyed by your "Self" and not by the limbs themselves. Similarly, all Devatas are angaas or limbs of the Paramatma. Whatever duties they carry out are under His supervision and their adulation goes to Him ultimately.+
Just like how a CEO represents all employees and each person's achievements directly reflect on the company, a particular Devata say Indra's duty is work delegated by Paramatma and when that goes astray, He takes upon Himself to rectify the same.
Aakaasaat pathitham thoyam yadaagacchathi saagaram sarvadeva namaskara: Kesavam (or Sankaram) prathigacchathi. Just like how different drops of rain ultimately merge into the sea, adulations of all dieties ultimately reaches the One Supreme Brahman.+
Seriyana loosu. This is why I said Eelam activists are better off doing kuthu rap instead of worrying about whether Shiva is Vedic or not. Then these same people say Om Namah Shivaya. Adding Om and Nama: automatically makes it a mantra.
**Long thread alert**
Mantras are only found in Vedas, not in the common tongue. Anyways, her perspectives matter zilch. What is more alarming is how a proper Thirumurai vakyam such as Anbe Sivam is being twisted and appropriated for nefarious agendas and how SM is brazenly peddling the same nonsense.
Yasya nishvasitam Vedaa: yo vedebhyo akhilam jagat | Nirmame tam aham vande vidyaatirtha Maheshvaram ||
One Whose very breath is the Veda using which the entire Creation was made, I bow down to Maheswara Who purifies with His wisdom.
So, if Vedas are really His own breath, how
can one draw stupid faux ethnic identities denying His indication in the Vedas? This has no rationale even to the self-proclaimed rationalists.
Let's attempt to understand what the naama Shiva means. I believe this foundation is important before we go on to understand any Naama vaibhavam. Do note that in SD, the Naama and the Naami are indifferent. In fact, Bhaktas consider the Naama to be greater since
**Long thread alert**
Rig Veda the oldest only mentions Shiva twice. Common sense? Zoroastrianism.
— \u0bb2\u0bbe\u0bb5\u0ba3\u0bcd\u0baf\u0bbe/Lavanya (@dwomanislavanya) August 31, 2021
Mantras are only found in Vedas, not in the common tongue. Anyways, her perspectives matter zilch. What is more alarming is how a proper Thirumurai vakyam such as Anbe Sivam is being twisted and appropriated for nefarious agendas and how SM is brazenly peddling the same nonsense.
Yasya nishvasitam Vedaa: yo vedebhyo akhilam jagat | Nirmame tam aham vande vidyaatirtha Maheshvaram ||
One Whose very breath is the Veda using which the entire Creation was made, I bow down to Maheswara Who purifies with His wisdom.
So, if Vedas are really His own breath, how
can one draw stupid faux ethnic identities denying His indication in the Vedas? This has no rationale even to the self-proclaimed rationalists.
Let's attempt to understand what the naama Shiva means. I believe this foundation is important before we go on to understand any Naama vaibhavam. Do note that in SD, the Naama and the Naami are indifferent. In fact, Bhaktas consider the Naama to be greater since
Good question. A little background info first to put things in perspective. Brahman has no form. It is an experience. However, for upaasana certain forms are ascribed to it by Vedas which fully encapsulate the actual tatvam of Brahman. So when a certain form is chosen for upasana
several things are ascribed to that form - a recognition of its power, Sakti, which is a feminine quality and hence worshiped as a consort, parivaara devataas (ones who always serve that form and show others how it's done), and a vaahana. Here, Vaahana does not only mean
a vehicle. Vaahana is actually a conduit. It tells you what kind of devotion is required in order to be always in service of that diety and to be chosen by that form. Vaahana is also an insignia or a Dwajam that espouses the gunas of that diety.
Now, coming to the question. Hanuman is usually worshiped as Raamadaasa, Raamadhuta, etc. However, there are Hanumadh upaasakas who specifically worship Hanuman as Brahman complete with Avataras. There are many mantra sastras that support this. In fact, they say Ha nu ma
are subtle syllables within the A U Ma Omkara itself, which means one needs to probe deep in order to understand the actual Hanumad tatvam. Hanuman is really a Brahmachari no doubt but, like I said above, upasana vidhis require that He be worshiped with a consort and vaahana
I need your opinion on something else as well...
— Kishore C Iyer\U0001f1ee\U0001f1f3 (@Kishoreciyer1) March 28, 2021
There is story of Camel being the vahanam of Hanuman... how true is it? Seems very prevalent in Telegu literature!
several things are ascribed to that form - a recognition of its power, Sakti, which is a feminine quality and hence worshiped as a consort, parivaara devataas (ones who always serve that form and show others how it's done), and a vaahana. Here, Vaahana does not only mean
a vehicle. Vaahana is actually a conduit. It tells you what kind of devotion is required in order to be always in service of that diety and to be chosen by that form. Vaahana is also an insignia or a Dwajam that espouses the gunas of that diety.
Now, coming to the question. Hanuman is usually worshiped as Raamadaasa, Raamadhuta, etc. However, there are Hanumadh upaasakas who specifically worship Hanuman as Brahman complete with Avataras. There are many mantra sastras that support this. In fact, they say Ha nu ma
are subtle syllables within the A U Ma Omkara itself, which means one needs to probe deep in order to understand the actual Hanumad tatvam. Hanuman is really a Brahmachari no doubt but, like I said above, upasana vidhis require that He be worshiped with a consort and vaahana
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This product has narrow appeal and, accordingly, is worth about as much as everything else on a 486 sitting in someone's basement is worth.
The other product is investment scams, which have approximately the best product market fit of anything produced by humans. In no age, in no country, in no city, at no level of sophistication do people consistently say "Actually I would prefer not to get money for nothing."
This product needs the exchanges like they need oxygen, because the value of it is directly tied to having payment rails to move real currency into the ecosystem and some jurisdictional and regulatory legerdemain to stay one step ahead of the banhammer.
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The benign product is sovereign programmable money, which is historically a niche interest of folks with a relatively clustered set of beliefs about the state, the literary merit of Snow Crash, and the utility of gold to the modern economy.
This product has narrow appeal and, accordingly, is worth about as much as everything else on a 486 sitting in someone's basement is worth.
The other product is investment scams, which have approximately the best product market fit of anything produced by humans. In no age, in no country, in no city, at no level of sophistication do people consistently say "Actually I would prefer not to get money for nothing."
This product needs the exchanges like they need oxygen, because the value of it is directly tied to having payment rails to move real currency into the ecosystem and some jurisdictional and regulatory legerdemain to stay one step ahead of the banhammer.
1/OK, data mystery time.
This New York Times feature shows China with a Gini Index of less than 30, which would make it more equal than Canada, France, or the Netherlands. https://t.co/g3Sv6DZTDE
That's weird. Income inequality in China is legendary.
Let's check this number.
2/The New York Times cites the World Bank's recent report, "Fair Progress? Economic Mobility across Generations Around the World".
The report is available here:
3/The World Bank report has a graph in which it appears to show the same value for China's Gini - under 0.3.
The graph cites the World Development Indicators as its source for the income inequality data.
4/The World Development Indicators are available at the World Bank's website.
Here's the Gini index: https://t.co/MvylQzpX6A
It looks as if the latest estimate for China's Gini is 42.2.
That estimate is from 2012.
5/A Gini of 42.2 would put China in the same neighborhood as the U.S., whose Gini was estimated at 41 in 2013.
I can't find the <30 number anywhere. The only other estimate in the tables for China is from 2008, when it was estimated at 42.8.
This New York Times feature shows China with a Gini Index of less than 30, which would make it more equal than Canada, France, or the Netherlands. https://t.co/g3Sv6DZTDE
That's weird. Income inequality in China is legendary.
Let's check this number.
2/The New York Times cites the World Bank's recent report, "Fair Progress? Economic Mobility across Generations Around the World".
The report is available here:
3/The World Bank report has a graph in which it appears to show the same value for China's Gini - under 0.3.
The graph cites the World Development Indicators as its source for the income inequality data.
4/The World Development Indicators are available at the World Bank's website.
Here's the Gini index: https://t.co/MvylQzpX6A
It looks as if the latest estimate for China's Gini is 42.2.
That estimate is from 2012.
5/A Gini of 42.2 would put China in the same neighborhood as the U.S., whose Gini was estimated at 41 in 2013.
I can't find the <30 number anywhere. The only other estimate in the tables for China is from 2008, when it was estimated at 42.8.