Here's a fun fact for all the proponents of buying 'Quality companies at any price':

Wipro is a 'Quality Company' and a part of Nifty 50 for most part of the last 20 years

Between 2000-2021, Sales went up 22x while profits went up 33x

Stock returns were basically almost ZERO

Creating segments and classifications about what really works in a sector can help you massively.

EG:- IT is just not about IT, there are Product companies, SAAS Businesses, services companies, ER&D companies and Corporate Learning Companies.

Banking&Finance is just not about Large Private Banks ⤵️

There are regional banks, Small Finance Bank, Public Sector Banks, Regional NBFCs, Deposit taking NBFCs, Housing Finance companies, Microfinance companies, CV Financiers etc.

Chemicals are not just speciality chemicals ⤵️

There are Bulk Chemicals like Phenol, Speciality Chemical and different chemistry chains expert like Fluorine, Bromine, Phosgene etc. Then there are niche product manufacturers like SDA or ATBS.

Retail is just not about Retail ⤵️

There are various segments within retail too! Someone might be doing value retail, someone might be doing luxury retail, Some companies might go for a COCO model (Company owned+Company Operated). Some might go for FOFO model (Franchise owned)

Pharma Contract Manufacturing has various types too ⤵️

Some Like Windlas are just CMO's for generics (low margin), some are present throughout the value chain Like Syngene (Complete CRAMS), some are just in Contract Development and manufacturing of intermediates (Suven)

One of the best debates I have seen in recent history between @SunilBSinghania and Saurabh Mukherjea.

TOPIC: Has P/E lost its relevance?

I resonate more with Sunil’s side. Here’s a thread 🧵 on the main points made by him:

@varinder_bansal @safiranand @myvaluepicks

1/ Importance of PE

PE is not the only factor but an important factor.

Ultimately the growth has to justify how much PE are you paying for the company.

There cannot be an unlimited PE multiple based on some xyz parameters.

2/ Hindsight Bias:

In hindsight we can say that from 2001 to 2021, a company grew at 25 % and we should have given a very high PE to it.

But on the day when you buy, you don’t know that the company is going to grow at 25% for the next 20 years.

3/ Millennial preference:

Things have become more competitive.

New generation don’t really care much about legacy.

Convenience and affordability matters more.

The longevity and sustainability of growth has changed dramatically.

4/ Company that require a big investment - There is opportunity to invest big.

Company 1: Mkt Cap of 50 cr
Company 2: Mkt cap of 1 lakh cr

50c r company can become 3x, 1 lakh cr company cannot become 2x.

On absolute basis you end up making 5 cr vs 5k cr in 1lakh cr company.

A private company's valuation is as much a story as anything else

"VC rounds are priced. Not valued" @Post_Market

If VCs are all about pattern-recognition but all the data has suddenly changed, how does anyone know what a company's valuation should

Fresh out of the @mjmauboussin oven is a paper titled "The Impact of Intangibles on Base Rates"

Key finding: Companies with higher intangibles asset intensity tend to have higher growth rates. The dispersion in growth rates is also higher for them.

Link: https://t.co/0u1dk0h0UK

"The good news is that intangible-intensive companies can grow faster than their tangible counterparts. The bad news is they can also become irrelevant and shrink fast. As a consequence, we should see two effects in the data: higher growth and more dispersion in the outcomes."

#DeepakNitrite valuation is most attractive in the space...

growth will be most explosive in the space...