For a while I worked in the maker space at the university library and one my favorite things to do was troll “business bro” students.

They’d come in and look around, and you can always tell it’s them cause they wear blazers all the dam time. I’d watch them look around and finally ask if they needed help.

“Oh maybe, I don’t know if you can help me. I’m looking for... *hushed voice* ... a coder.”
“Oh yeah?” I’d murmur, matching their tone and seriousness. “We do coding tutorials, no worries, everyone starts somewhere, here let me pull up the tutor schedule...”

“Heh, no, no. I’m looking for a serious coder... for a business project.” They’d answer, suddenly puffing up.
“Ahh.” I’d nod solemnly. “Well, what kind of coder? I may have one in the back.”

“A good one.” They’d day, usually pulling up a chair.

“Yes but, what coding language?”

“Oh well I don’t know, that’s up to them.” They’d wave dismissively with one hand.
I’d nod again, pretending to take notes. “A good coder. I see. Well it depends on what you need...”

“It’s an APP!” (It’s always an app)

Sometimes I’d let them launch into their pitch, sometimes I’d cut them off.

Either way I’d say: “I see, and the salary you’re offering?”
This always got blank stares.

“What? No this is like a start-up thing.”

I’d nod, still pretending to take notes. “I see, so you’re offering 50% of the company.”

They’d shake their heads and go “What? No. I mean we’ll see if it makes money, but this is a great idea!”
Me: “So you are providing the idea and you want a coder to build it all, trouble shoot, test, maintain, and you’re doing... what exactly?”

Business Bro: “I’ll be handling the business side of things.”

Me: “That’s great. So, what salary are you offering again?”
Business Bro: “look this is a really exciting idea and I need a great coder to work on it and help bring it to life.”

Me: *scratching stuff out on my fake notes* “Hold on, you said you needed a good coder when you came in. Now you need a great coder?”
Business Bro: “I’ve got an idea for an app and I need someone to build it. It’s gonna be great.”

Me: “That’s awesome, starting salary for a senior app developer is 80k plus benefits.”

BB: “What?”

Me: “I mean, it’s a very in-demand skill set.”
Business Bro: “I don’t have that kind of money, but this idea is a million dollar idea if I can get someone to build it. I just need to put my ideas together with a coding genius to make it happen.”

Me: *putting down fake notes* “coding genius...?”
Me: *staring hard at business bro* So let me get this straight. You have an idea for an app that you’re convinced will be successful but you need someone else to build it. So you’re bringing the idea.

BB: exactly!

Me: what makes you think coders don’t have their own ideas?
Business Bro: *silence*

Me: so I’ve got an opening on Wednesday at 2pm with our JavaScript tutor, I recommend starting there. Unless you’ve never played around with HTML/CSS?

BB:

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I don’t have a son, but if I did, and he was accused of sexually assaulting someone, I would look him in the eye and ask him what he had done. And he would know from my face that lying would be the worst choice he could make.


I don’t have a brother, but if I did and he was accused of sexually assaulting someone, I would call him up and say “is it true?” And he would know from my voice that lying would mean the end of our relationship.

I do have a husband, and if anyone accused him of sexually assaulting someone I’d look at him and say “tell me what happened.” And I would know if he was lying in that moment.

And if they lied I would come out and say “they’re lying.” And if they told the truth and they had done horrible things I would come out in support of their accuser. And if they told me a story about how nothing happened, I’d say I need to hear it from her.

There are plenty of wonderful husbands, brothers and sons who were shitty boyfriends, shitty dates, shitty friends, shitty acquaintances, somewhere at some point in their lives.

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A top 7 with:
https://t.co/6gBjO6jXtB @Booligoosh
https://t.co/fwfKbQha57 @stephsmithio
https://t.co/LsSRNV9Jrf @anthilemoon
https://t.co/Fts7T8Un5M @J_Tabansi
Spotify Ctrl @shahroozme
https://t.co/37EoJAXEeG @kossnocorp
https://t.co/fMawYGlnro

If you want some top picks, see @deadcoder0904's thread,

We were going to have a go at doing this, but he nailed it.

It also comes with voting links 🖐so go do your


Over the following days the 24hr startup crew had more than their fair share of launches

Lots of variety: web, bots, extensions and even native apps

eg. @jordibruin with
Results from yesterday’s poll. I’m inclined to agree. And this is something I’m going to fix in my next move.


As an indie maker you have a huge advantage if you can genuinely dogfood your product. Don’t do what I did and try to make a product for teams if you’re just one person. That’s really, really dumb 🙃

Before searching for product-market fit, ask yourself if you have founder-product fit. It is a humbling question but one worth investing the time to answer truthfully.

In hindsight, I have low founder-product fit with Talkshow. It’s for teams but I’m solo. It’s a big broad idea but as an indie I should be focused on a niche.

Just braindumping 🤪 Again thanks to @tylertringas for the micro-saas content on his blog, it helped me navigate / articulate some thoughts I was having.

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So the cryptocurrency industry has basically two products, one which is relatively benign and doesn't have product market fit, and one which is malignant and does. The industry has a weird superposition of understanding this fact and (strategically?) not understanding it.


The benign product is sovereign programmable money, which is historically a niche interest of folks with a relatively clustered set of beliefs about the state, the literary merit of Snow Crash, and the utility of gold to the modern economy.

This product has narrow appeal and, accordingly, is worth about as much as everything else on a 486 sitting in someone's basement is worth.

The other product is investment scams, which have approximately the best product market fit of anything produced by humans. In no age, in no country, in no city, at no level of sophistication do people consistently say "Actually I would prefer not to get money for nothing."

This product needs the exchanges like they need oxygen, because the value of it is directly tied to having payment rails to move real currency into the ecosystem and some jurisdictional and regulatory legerdemain to stay one step ahead of the banhammer.
First update to https://t.co/lDdqjtKTZL since the challenge ended – Medium links!! Go add your Medium profile now 👀📝 (thanks @diannamallen for the suggestion 😁)


Just added Telegram links to
https://t.co/lDdqjtKTZL too! Now you can provide a nice easy way for people to message you :)


Less than 1 hour since I started adding stuff to https://t.co/lDdqjtKTZL again, and profile pages are now responsive!!! 🥳 Check it out -> https://t.co/fVkEL4fu0L


Accounts page is now also responsive!! 📱✨


💪 I managed to make the whole site responsive in about an hour. On my roadmap I had it down as 4-5 hours!!! 🤘🤠🤘